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Know your MMA....Scoring

September 26, 2009

with talk over what judges are screwing who......how much do you really know about the scoring criteria?

the first place to look is the NSAC or Nevada state athletics commission here is some useful info.....

VIII. JUDGES

A. No judge will have a financial interest in any fighter he judges.

B. No judge will be a manager/trainer of any fighter he judges.

C. In a bout goes to it's full time limit, the outcome will be decided by a majority decision of three, (3), MMAC judges.

D. A judge is accredited, sanctioned and selected based upon his character, experience, stature in the MMA world, knowledge of MMA systems and impartiality.

E. Judging Criteria 1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the following criteria: -Clean Strikes -Effective Grappling -Octagon Control -Effective Aggressiveness

F. Clean Strikes 1. The fighter who is landing both effective and efficient clean strikes. 2. There are two ways of measuring strikes: -the total number of clean strikes landed (more efficient)

-the total number of heavy strikes landed (more effective)

G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total number landed. 1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the criteria. 2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a winning round.

H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than those thrown from the back. 1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality", than thrown from the bottom. 2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case. However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong indication of positional dominance for striking.

I. Effective Grappling 1. The Judge shall recognize the value of both the clean takedown and active guard position. 2. The Judge shall recognize that a fighter who is able to cleanly takedown his opponent, is effectively grappling. 3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple, through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous defense from the top fighter. 4. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter who maneuvers from guard to mount is effectively grappling. 5. A Judge shall recognize that the guard position alone shall be scored neutral or even, if none of the preceding situations were met.(items 2-4) 6. A Judge shall recognize that if the fighters remain in guard the majority of a round with neither fighter having an edge in clean striking or effective grappling, (items 2-4), the fighter who scored the clean takedown deserves the round. 7. A clean reversal is equal to a clean takedown in effective grappling

J. Octagon Control 1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight. 2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is octagon control. 3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control. 4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities

K. Effective Aggressiveness 1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring) 2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward. 3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness. 4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness. 5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.

L. Criteria Evaluation 1. Each judge is to evaluate which fighter was most effective. Thus striking and grappling skills are top priority. 2. Evaluating the criteria requires the use of a sliding scale. Fights can remain standing or grounded. Judges shall recognize that it isn't how long the fighters are standing or grounded, as to the scoring the fighters achieve ,while in those positions. 3. If 90% of the round is grounded one fighter on top, then: -effective grappling is weighed first. -clean striking is weighed next. If clean strikes scored in the round, the Judge shall factor it in. Clean Striking can outweigh Effective Grappling while the fighters are grounded. -octagon control is next (pace, place & position)

  1. The same rational holds true if 90% of the round were standing. Thus: -clean striking would be weighed first (fighter most effective) -clean grappling second (any takedowns or effective clinching) -octagon control which fighter maintained better position? Which fighter created the situations that led to effective strikes?

  2. If a round was 50% standing and 50% on the ground, then: -clean striking and effective grappling are weighed more equally. -octagon control would be factored next

  3. In all three hypothetical situations, effective aggressiveness is factored in last. It is the criteria of least importance. Since the definition calls for moving forward and scoring, it is imperative for the Judges to look at the scoring first.

  4. Thus for all Judges scoring UFC fights, the prioritized order of evaluating criteria is: -clean strikes and effective grappling are weighed first. -octagon control -effective aggressiveness M. Domination Criteria

  5. A Judge may determine that a fighter dominated his opponent in a round. This can lead to a two point or more difference on a Judge's scorecard.
  6. The definition of a dominating round is a fighter's ability to effectively strike, grapple and control his opponent.
  7. A Judge may determine a round was dominating if a fighter was adversely affected by one of the following: -knocked down from standing position by clean strike -by submission attempt -from a throw -from clean strikes either standing or grounded.

N. Judge's Scorecard Procedures After each round: 1. each Judge will determine and record a score each round 2. a MMAC official will collect the scorecard after each round 3. the MMAC official will track and add each Judges score by round 4. If the fight goes the time limit, the MMAC official will add each Judge's scorecard and double check total 5. the fighter with the greater number of points wins the fight on each Judges scorecard 6. the fighter who won on the majority of the Judges Scorecards, wins the fight 7. the MMAC official will hand the decision to the PA announcer

O. Types of Judge's Decisions 1. If all three scorecards agree Unanimous 2. If two of three scorecards agree Split 3. Two scorecards agree and one draw Majority 4. two scorecards agree on draw Draw 5. all scorecards different Draw

IX SCORING SYSTEM

A. The MMAC and UFC have adopted a 10 point must system. The Judge will use the criteria to determine a winner each round. The three step procedure per round is as follows: -determine winner of round (can be draw) -determine if winner dominated round

-fouls then factored in (subtract one point per foul from fighter)

B. Draws are again acceptable in MMAC events

C. Point Totals 1. two fighters who draw are given a score of 10-10 2. the fighter who wins a round is given a score of 10-9 3.The fighter who dominates a round is given a score of 10-8 (a score of 10-7 is possible for a dominant round) 4.For each foul a fighter commits, a point is subtracted. This deduction can change a winning round to a draw. 9-9

more useful facts can be found here...

http://boxing.nv.gov/index.htm

Please use this blog to discuss factual information there are plenty others to whine about who got screwed thanks

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  • Photo of HAD0K3N HAD0K3N
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    Posted 2 years ago by HAD0K3N

    i preferd the pride green card for a % of the purse to keep the action moving, but again could be abused.

    Stupid i know but stupid things seem to happen.

    will start a new blog shortly about how judging would best be done so start thinking about it as i dont think the awnser for that one will be easy.........

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    Posted 2 years ago by CavemanJesus

    In japan, yellow cards are used instead of warnings instead of point deductions, and stall tactics. And takes a percentage of your winnings/or purse. I personally prefer these rules, then the 10 point scoring system hich is broken for MMA.

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    Posted 2 years ago by CavemanJesus

    This is great, but still these are Boxing judges that are scoring MMA fights. I prefer the Japanese methods of scoring MMA fights. The fight is judged by its entirety, not rounds. A fighter can win 2 rounds by just takedowns and no follow up, then get dismantled in the 3rd. The winner is always the guy that dismantled his opponent. Why? Cuz he caused more damage than his opponent did. Japan's rules doesn't count Takedowns as winning the round unless they used offensive attacks after the initail takedown(ground-n-pound). And they stand them up if there is no action within 30 seconds. No lay-n-pray, no stalling for time, or else Yellow cards are issued.

  • Photo of HAD0K3N HAD0K3N
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    Posted 2 years ago (changed 2 years ago) by HAD0K3N

    cecil people's is not an official navada state commision judge check the link to the website above and you will see, and dickey it's for every one, i would like to see substance in comments, although i know the stupid will say what they will anyway.

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    Posted 2 years ago by Dicker410

    I'm with Grtetz too did you need this for yourself ? People have been screwed just look as Wes

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    Posted 2 years ago by bigtyme808

    Im with Gretzky on that